FIRST REACTIONS to new M3 and M4 drivers?

[jll62]

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@lagunatic wrote:

I'm a little concerned to see that Jon Rahm already experienced a cracked face at Kapalua (missed if it was the new driver or a new fairway).  I was ready to go get M4-fitted in late February, but thinking I may wait to see if this is more than a one-off issue.

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M4 seemed okay for DJ...

[dwebb58]

Wonder how the pros are able to work the ball with the twist face?

[Ryan]

Twist Face helps them when they hit the ball off center. It won't have any impact on them shaping the ball as they don't rely on a mis-hit to hit a fade or a draw. They generally do that with their ball position / swing path.

[dwebb58]

That makes sense, thanks for the insight!

[lagunatic]

No doubt there! ... plus others had M3/M4's in play.  I will still likely pull the trigger early on with the M4, but it's just a bit concerning to see so many folks reporting issues with the M2 iron face then in the first tournament I'm watching in the new year seeing that. They're not alone - other brands have issues too.  Feels like TM just needs to tighten up on design/quality control a bit.

[Ed_Settle]

Not to be mean but if Luke Donald or Brian Harmon were to crack a face I would be concerned! With someone who swings as hard as Rahm I don’t think that’s that unusual. May have hit it higher on the face out of the rough. I would have no worries

[lagunatic]

Don't disagree with your point on Rahm/Johnson's vs lesser pros and the stress they can impart.  Just saying there's too many instances of this happening and with many brands and I'm talking amateurs.   A friend has gone through two sets of new M2 irons cracking the face.  Shouldn't occur with irons or woods but in a blue moon or where the person has slammed clubs, hit rocks/roots, etc.  Still, that's not keeping me from giving the M4's a go.

[Ryan]

Sometimes early parts that are finished by hand can be over polished in the process resulting in a weak spot. This is fixed before production. Nothing to worry about....Rahm wasn't. He'll have a new one for next time.

[bigswede18]

Planning on buying the M4 D type for sure.. Wondering if the stock Matrix X5 shaft is the exact same shaft as the 2017 version>> Anyone??

[Noodle3872]

Here are the numbers from hitting my TI M2 9.8°(true loft) against a M4 9.5° (retail demo head). I warmed up hitting a SW and then a 6i. The numbers below are from hitting minimum 20 drives switching drivers after 10 balls. It was a good day with the driver too. I think the loft on the M4 was lower than marked. 

M2 9.8° with Tensei Pro White 60 stiff and TP5 ball.

CHS Average: 100.0 mph
CHS High: 101.7 mph
CHS Low: 96.3 mph

Ball Speed Average: 145.0 mph
Ball Speed High: 147.7 mph
Ball Speed Low: 139.5 mph

Launch Angle Average: 15.0°
Launch Angle High: 17.3°
Launch Angle Low: 8.7°

Spin Average: 2223 rpm
Spin High: 2665 rpm
Spin Low: 1171 rpm

Peak Height Average: 38.5 yards
Peak Height High: 40 yards
Peak Height Low: 24 yards

Descent Angle Average: 36°
Descent Angle High: 42°
Descent Angle Low: 31°

Carry Yardage Average: 252.8 yards
Carry Yardage High: 264.0 yards
Carry Yardage Low: 238.2 yards.

M4 9.5° with Tensei Pro White 60 stiff and TP5 ball.

CHS Average: 100.1 mph
CHS High: 101.2 mph
CHS Low: 99.0 mph

Ball Speed Average: 145.0 mph
Ball Speed High: 146.0 mph
Ball Speed Low: 143.4 mph

Launch Angle Average: 13.6°
Launch Angle High: 14.5°
Launch Angle Low: 13.0°

Spin Average: 1941 rpm
Spin High: 2208 rpm
Spin Low: 1588 rpm

Peak Height Average: 32 yards
Peak Height High: 36 yards
Peak Height Low: 28 yards

Descent Angle Average: 35°
Descent Angle High: 40°
Descent Angle Low: 32°

Carry Yardage Average: 261.0 yards
Carry Yardage High: 268.0 yards
Carry Yardage Low: 255 yards